Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?
CptCrape wrote:Also, don't forget he promoted rights for religious minorities, such as Christians.Cold War Communist wrote:There is a whole lot about Saddam that the citizens of the U.S. don't know. He was able to bring about greater equality between the sexes, nearly eliminated illiteracy, and was able to create an economic boon in Iraq by nationalizing the oil system.
This obviously didn't sit well with others, and he also foolishly rushed into a war with Iran (which, in hindsight, wasn't totally foolish). That started Iraq on the path to ruin, but it could have been salvaged. His image has seen something of a renaissance of late. There are the obvious issues caused by Isis, and the "war on terror", but also a nostalgia for his reforms.
So I guess you have to take the good with the bad, or perhaps the bad with the good. It's all about perspective.
Indeed. He is an interesting leader, and despite the things he did, he could have gone down as quote possibly the best leader in the Middle East in the modern era.
Cold War Communist- Centurion
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?
Israel had some good leaders, and don't forget Ataturk.Cold War Communist wrote:CptCrape wrote:Also, don't forget he promoted rights for religious minorities, such as Christians.Cold War Communist wrote:There is a whole lot about Saddam that the citizens of the U.S. don't know. He was able to bring about greater equality between the sexes, nearly eliminated illiteracy, and was able to create an economic boon in Iraq by nationalizing the oil system.
This obviously didn't sit well with others, and he also foolishly rushed into a war with Iran (which, in hindsight, wasn't totally foolish). That started Iraq on the path to ruin, but it could have been salvaged. His image has seen something of a renaissance of late. There are the obvious issues caused by Isis, and the "war on terror", but also a nostalgia for his reforms.
So I guess you have to take the good with the bad, or perhaps the bad with the good. It's all about perspective.
Indeed. He is an interesting leader, and despite the things he did, he could have gone down as quote possibly the best leader in the Middle East in the modern era.
CptCrape- Centurion
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?
He also didn't include jizya. Which if you know is a tax on non muslims in a muslim community.CptCrape wrote:Also, don't forget he promoted rights for religious minorities, such as Christians.Cold War Communist wrote:There is a whole lot about Saddam that the citizens of the U.S. don't know. He was able to bring about greater equality between the sexes, nearly eliminated illiteracy, and was able to create an economic boon in Iraq by nationalizing the oil system.
This obviously didn't sit well with others, and he also foolishly rushed into a war with Iran (which, in hindsight, wasn't totally foolish). That started Iraq on the path to ruin, but it could have been salvaged. His image has seen something of a renaissance of late. There are the obvious issues caused by Isis, and the "war on terror", but also a nostalgia for his reforms.
So I guess you have to take the good with the bad, or perhaps the bad with the good. It's all about perspective.
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?
I know what Jizya is, and yes he did not enforce it.Hashem wrote:He also didn't include jizya. Which if you know is a tax on non muslims in a muslim community.CptCrape wrote:Also, don't forget he promoted rights for religious minorities, such as Christians.Cold War Communist wrote:There is a whole lot about Saddam that the citizens of the U.S. don't know. He was able to bring about greater equality between the sexes, nearly eliminated illiteracy, and was able to create an economic boon in Iraq by nationalizing the oil system.
This obviously didn't sit well with others, and he also foolishly rushed into a war with Iran (which, in hindsight, wasn't totally foolish). That started Iraq on the path to ruin, but it could have been salvaged. His image has seen something of a renaissance of late. There are the obvious issues caused by Isis, and the "war on terror", but also a nostalgia for his reforms.
So I guess you have to take the good with the bad, or perhaps the bad with the good. It's all about perspective.
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?
but the good thing saddem hussein did is fighting the american
EisaGaming- Pedes
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?
Allow me to drop some truth bombs. The Second Persian Gulf War can be summarized thusly.
America walks into a bar where a bunch of shady characters gather. North Korea, Iran, and Iraq are among the members.
America shoots one at random and walks out of the bar. The message? "Don't fund terrorists or you are next." It wasn't about WMDs, or oil, or spreading democracy.
Its not even clear if Saddam funded terrorists but that wasn't the point. The point was to send a message.
To what degree this intimidation strategy worked is debatable.
America walks into a bar where a bunch of shady characters gather. North Korea, Iran, and Iraq are among the members.
America shoots one at random and walks out of the bar. The message? "Don't fund terrorists or you are next." It wasn't about WMDs, or oil, or spreading democracy.
Its not even clear if Saddam funded terrorists but that wasn't the point. The point was to send a message.
To what degree this intimidation strategy worked is debatable.
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?
Well, considering that taking down the Iraqi government created a power vacuum that aided in Daesh's ability to take control...it's a failure. Saudi Arabia would need to be the target to fix the terror issue.
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?
Saddam believed he was the rightful ruler of the entire world. His reasoning- the Garden of Eden was in Iraq, therefore all people came from Iraq, Saddam is the leader of Iraq, all people then should be under his rule- actual reasoning by Saddam.
ceaserkhan22- Centurion
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?
This is totally true, anyone here heard of Smedley Butler?
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?
GrandMarshalSoult wrote:This is totally true, anyone here heard of Smedley Butler?
Yea, learned about him at bootcamp
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?
What? Thats not what he believed. He believed that all muslim nations everywhere or all nations in the middle east and north africa should unite and become one country. He definitely did not want to rule the world.ceaserkhan22 wrote:Saddam believed he was the rightful ruler of the entire world. His reasoning- the Garden of Eden was in Iraq, therefore all people came from Iraq, Saddam is the leader of Iraq, all people then should be under his rule- actual reasoning by Saddam.
Hashem- Cornicen
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Hashem wrote:What? Thats not what he believed. He believed that all muslim nations everywhere or all nations in the middle east and north africa should unite and become one country. He definitely did not want to rule the world.ceaserkhan22 wrote:Saddam believed he was the rightful ruler of the entire world. His reasoning- the Garden of Eden was in Iraq, therefore all people came from Iraq, Saddam is the leader of Iraq, all people then should be under his rule- actual reasoning by Saddam.
Only repeating from a quote i saw on a history channel documentary. Also Saddam wasn't for the unification of muslim countries, he was for the unification of arab countries. The ba'ath party had an ideology of pan-arabism not pan-islam.
ceaserkhan22- Centurion
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?
Yeah you're right.ceaserkhan22 wrote:Hashem wrote:What? Thats not what he believed. He believed that all muslim nations everywhere or all nations in the middle east and north africa should unite and become one country. He definitely did not want to rule the world.ceaserkhan22 wrote:Saddam believed he was the rightful ruler of the entire world. His reasoning- the Garden of Eden was in Iraq, therefore all people came from Iraq, Saddam is the leader of Iraq, all people then should be under his rule- actual reasoning by Saddam.
Only repeating from a quote i saw on a history channel documentary. Also Saddam wasn't for the unification of muslim countries, he was for the unification of arab countries. The ba'ath party had an ideology of pan-arabism not pan-islam.
Hashem- Cornicen
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?
United States is doing the same thing it did in iraq in syria right now. Why can't they learn their lesson?
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