Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?

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Post by Cold War Communist on Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:26 pm

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Cold War Communist wrote:There is a whole lot about Saddam that the citizens of the U.S. don't know. He was able to bring about greater equality between the sexes, nearly eliminated illiteracy, and was able to create an economic boon in Iraq by nationalizing the oil system.

This obviously didn't sit well with others, and he also foolishly rushed into a war with Iran (which, in hindsight, wasn't totally foolish). That started Iraq on the path to ruin, but it could have been salvaged. His image has seen something of a renaissance of late. There are the obvious issues caused by Isis, and the "war on terror", but also a nostalgia for his reforms.

So I guess you have to take the good with the bad, or perhaps the bad with the good. It's all about perspective.
Also, don't forget he promoted rights for religious minorities, such as Christians.

Indeed. He is an interesting leader, and despite the things he did, he could have gone down as quote possibly the best leader in the Middle East in the modern era.
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?

Post by CptCrape on Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:12 pm

Cold War Communist wrote:
CptCrape wrote:
Cold War Communist wrote:There is a whole lot about Saddam that the citizens of the U.S. don't know. He was able to bring about greater equality between the sexes, nearly eliminated illiteracy, and was able to create an economic boon in Iraq by nationalizing the oil system.

This obviously didn't sit well with others, and he also foolishly rushed into a war with Iran (which, in hindsight, wasn't totally foolish). That started Iraq on the path to ruin, but it could have been salvaged. His image has seen something of a renaissance of late. There are the obvious issues caused by Isis, and the "war on terror", but also a nostalgia for his reforms.

So I guess you have to take the good with the bad, or perhaps the bad with the good. It's all about perspective.
Also, don't forget he promoted rights for religious minorities, such as Christians.

Indeed. He is an interesting leader, and despite the things he did, he could have gone down as quote possibly the best leader in the Middle East in the modern era.
Israel had some good leaders, and don't forget Ataturk.
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?

Post by Hashem on Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:57 pm

CptCrape wrote:
Cold War Communist wrote:There is a whole lot about Saddam that the citizens of the U.S. don't know. He was able to bring about greater equality between the sexes, nearly eliminated illiteracy, and was able to create an economic boon in Iraq by nationalizing the oil system.

This obviously didn't sit well with others, and he also foolishly rushed into a war with Iran (which, in hindsight, wasn't totally foolish). That started Iraq on the path to ruin, but it could have been salvaged. His image has seen something of a renaissance of late. There are the obvious issues caused by Isis, and the "war on terror", but also a nostalgia for his reforms.

So I guess you have to take the good with the bad, or perhaps the bad with the good. It's all about perspective.
Also, don't forget he promoted rights for religious minorities, such as Christians.
He also didn't include jizya. Which if you know is a tax on non muslims in a muslim community.
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?

Post by CptCrape on Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:02 pm

Hashem wrote:
CptCrape wrote:
Cold War Communist wrote:There is a whole lot about Saddam that the citizens of the U.S. don't know. He was able to bring about greater equality between the sexes, nearly eliminated illiteracy, and was able to create an economic boon in Iraq by nationalizing the oil system.

This obviously didn't sit well with others, and he also foolishly rushed into a war with Iran (which, in hindsight, wasn't totally foolish). That started Iraq on the path to ruin, but it could have been salvaged. His image has seen something of a renaissance of late. There are the obvious issues caused by Isis, and the "war on terror", but also a nostalgia for his reforms.

So I guess you have to take the good with the bad, or perhaps the bad with the good. It's all about perspective.
Also, don't forget he promoted rights for religious minorities, such as Christians.
He also didn't include jizya. Which if you know is a tax on non muslims in a muslim community.
I know what Jizya is, and yes he did not enforce it.
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?

Post by EisaGaming on Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:51 pm

but the good thing saddem hussein did is fighting the american

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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?

Post by DavidlVofGeorgia on Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:52 pm

Allow me to drop some truth bombs. The Second Persian Gulf War can be summarized thusly.

America walks into a bar where a bunch of shady characters gather. North Korea, Iran, and Iraq are among the members.

America shoots one at random and walks out of the bar.  The message?  "Don't fund terrorists or you are next." It wasn't about WMDs, or oil, or spreading democracy.

Its not even clear if Saddam funded terrorists but that wasn't the point. The point was to send a message.

To what degree this intimidation strategy worked is debatable.
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?

Post by Cold War Communist on Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:46 pm

Well, considering that taking down the Iraqi government created a power vacuum that aided in Daesh's ability to take control...it's a failure. Saudi Arabia would need to be the target to fix the terror issue.
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?

Post by ceaserkhan22 on Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:42 am

Saddam believed he was the rightful ruler of the entire world. His reasoning- the Garden of Eden was in Iraq, therefore all people came from Iraq, Saddam is the leader of Iraq, all people then should be under his rule- actual reasoning by Saddam.
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?

Post by GrandMarshalSoult on Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:22 am

This is totally true, anyone here heard of Smedley Butler?
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?

Post by ceaserkhan22 on Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:35 pm

GrandMarshalSoult wrote:This is totally true, anyone here heard of Smedley Butler?

Yea, learned about him at bootcamp
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?

Post by Hashem on Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:34 pm

ceaserkhan22 wrote:Saddam believed he was the rightful ruler of the entire world. His reasoning- the Garden of Eden was in Iraq, therefore all people came from Iraq, Saddam is the leader of Iraq, all people then should be under his rule- actual reasoning by Saddam.  
What? Thats not what he believed. He believed that all muslim nations everywhere or all nations in the middle east and north africa should unite and become one country. He definitely did not want to rule the world.
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?

Post by ceaserkhan22 on Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:53 am

Hashem wrote:
ceaserkhan22 wrote:Saddam believed he was the rightful ruler of the entire world. His reasoning- the Garden of Eden was in Iraq, therefore all people came from Iraq, Saddam is the leader of Iraq, all people then should be under his rule- actual reasoning by Saddam.  
What? Thats not what he believed. He believed that all muslim nations everywhere or all nations in the middle east and north africa should unite and become one country. He definitely did not want to rule the world.

Only repeating from a quote i saw on a history channel documentary. Also Saddam wasn't for the unification of muslim countries, he was for the unification of arab countries. The ba'ath party had an ideology of pan-arabism not pan-islam.
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?

Post by Hashem on Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:34 pm

ceaserkhan22 wrote:
Hashem wrote:
ceaserkhan22 wrote:Saddam believed he was the rightful ruler of the entire world. His reasoning- the Garden of Eden was in Iraq, therefore all people came from Iraq, Saddam is the leader of Iraq, all people then should be under his rule- actual reasoning by Saddam.  
What? Thats not what he believed. He believed that all muslim nations everywhere or all nations in the middle east and north africa should unite and become one country. He definitely did not want to rule the world.

Only repeating from a quote i saw on a history channel documentary. Also Saddam wasn't for the unification of muslim countries, he was for the unification of arab countries. The ba'ath party had an ideology of pan-arabism  not pan-islam.
Yeah you're right.
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Re: Who would like to hear the truth about Saddam Hussein?

Post by Hashem on Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:36 pm

United States is doing the same thing it did in iraq in syria right now. Why can't they learn their lesson?
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