What if the Soviets joined the Axis in 1940?

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What if the Soviets joined the Axis in 1940?

Post by GeorgeIVofBritannia on Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:01 pm

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{-} What if the Soviet Union along with the rest of the comintern (Mongolia and Tannu Tuva) joined the axis in 1940? {-}

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I think that due to the Comintern joining the Axis in 1940, the USA would've joined the allies, to fight against the communists and fascists. Who knows who would've won WW2? I can see it being the Deustches Reich due to having the Soviets as their strongest ally.

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Re: What if the Soviets joined the Axis in 1940?

Post by Kaiser Ken on Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:35 pm

Possible Soviet-Nazi Cold War? I'd also be interested in what internal Soviet and German politics would lead to the USSR joining Axis.
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Re: What if the Soviets joined the Axis in 1940?

Post by Commie_China_Champ on Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:01 am

I think china would have been invaded along with the british raj and the Axis would have dominated the Middle east and Europe
Operation Sea lion might succeed but a invasion of the mainland united states is impossible so if the United states stays out of the war I think we would have seen a three way cold war between America Germany and the USSR
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Re: What if the Soviets joined the Axis in 1940?

Post by 321gman on Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:06 am

but you also have to count the fact that the USA had two or three times the industrial capacity of the Axis, so throwing in the Committern likely wouldn't even tie it. Therefore the Cold War would go one of two ways, a two-way and a three-way. The two way would be the US verses the Alliance, that would take a very long time to settle. The 3-way would be the USA, with a possibly sudo-puppeted GB and Japan, Germany, and the USSR, with the alliance likely collapsing after actual fighting stops. The USSR and Germany would likely go to blows first as they would share a land border and therefore tensions would be higher. Then the USA would sweep in and take care of the remnants. But what do you think? Is my idea valid?
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Re: What if the Soviets joined the Axis in 1940?

Post by Conquerer1234 on Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:23 am

The Soviets and the Germans win the war in mainland Eurasia, then after they win they kill eachother off in either coventional war or a nuclear war.
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Re: What if the Soviets joined the Axis in 1940?

Post by 321gman on Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:32 am

Conquerer1234 wrote:The Soviets and the Germans win the war in mainland Eurasia, then after they win they kill eachother off in either coventional war or a nuclear war.
Well.....India and China MIGHT hold out, but that is a tricky one.
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Re: What if the Soviets joined the Axis in 1940?

Post by WW2 Buff on Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:10 am

If so this friendship would easily be very fragile and would cause a cold war which most likely would of been won by Germany cause in our timeline the USSR fell under its own weight. Also it would be going up against the Germans there technology was advancing at a swift pace.

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Re: What if the Soviets joined the Axis in 1940?

Post by Brusilov on Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:07 am

The soviets and germans would completely destroy the allies, that's for sure.
With the russian oil fields, farms and factories all being intact they could supply all of the axis powers with food, steel, oil and many other materials needed for the war effort.
The soviets would absolutely steamroll the allies in my opinion, since the only german weaknesses were the size of it's army and their lack of resources for a long war (which lead to the downfall of the Empire in the 1st World War)
They would be able to starve the british isles, by submarines, blockades and air-raid missions. They (the germans) would now have enough materials to produce huge amounts of U-Boats, Planes and tanks.
Operation Seelöwe could now be executed and the british isles integrated into the Reich
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Re: What if the Soviets joined the Axis in 1940?

Post by Bowtie on Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:03 pm

At the time Russia's main strength was in being on the defense, I don't believe they would have made a difference right off the bat, England would have fallen and Germany not having the Navy to cross the Atlantic would have turn toward African, if the axis were delayed long enough the United States would have invented the nuclear bomb and eventually won the war.

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Re: What if the Soviets joined the Axis in 1940?

Post by Onward Painter X on Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:20 pm

Axis won WW2 because the main reason Hitler lost was because he was at war the U.S.S.R which crippled his manpower.
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Re: What if the Soviets joined the Axis in 1940?

Post by EmperorTigerstar on Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:33 am

The poll seems to have nothing to do with the question at hand.
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Re: What if the Soviets joined the Axis in 1940?

Post by Metsarebuff1222 on Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:55 am

Never would have happened. The Nazis ideology was based on the hatred of Judeo-Boshevikism. Also they wanted the fertile lands of European Russia for Liebenstram to build a self sufficient Reich. The only reason for the Molotov- Ribbentrop Agreement was so the Germans would have the east pacified while the take on the west. In the crazy universe where they did join, I don't think it would have been an easy victory. America would join the war immediately and set up an invasion force in Alaska to invade eastern siberia, mabye even making an agreement with Japan to help and Japan would get part of eastern siberia if they won, satifying their need for natural resources. With no eastern front, operation sea lion is way more plausible. In the end, the Allies would still probably win. The Axis would be fighting in Siberia and in Britain, and the American and Japanese would probably beat the Russians. Remember, Germany almost beat the Soviets in our timeline, and with American leaders compandance, along with Allies in Middle Asia and Siberia, would win
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Re: What if the Soviets joined the Axis in 1940?

Post by Cobius on Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:21 pm

While the future alliance probably wouldn't last, every other nation of Earth is doomed. The British cannot push back the German invasion because there are thousands upon thousands of Soviet cannon fodder, protecting the statistically more valuable Nazi units as they advance. If the Axis manages to somehow get a beachhead and stable supply route either in North or South America, the US is doomed unless they can make nukes first. The Axis now has the numbers to overwhelm their enemies, and the quality units to outmatch everyone else.

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