Communism Debate

[Octagon History]

I would have a thread that would state an argument as to why Communism is bad. With sources for every statement I make,but I have to wait 7 days so fuck me. Alright so let's use this thread to discuss Communism.

My Opinion is that is evil.

[firemac]

Communism is an un-adaptable since people are generally greedy but it could work if people tried. I wouldn't say "Evil" just thought wrongly. It's a ideology based being ruled by the working classes not Dictatorship like Stalin.

[EmperorTigerstar]

Communism isn't inherently evil, many men have merely done evil things under its banner. Communism itself is simply just a flawed ideology.

[SamSkey]

This is a very controversial start to the forums...I like it.

Communism isn't evil nor is it really "bad". I can see why people have used communism to do bad stuff, but also people have used capitalism to do bad stuff. The next question I have is when is something considered evil or bad? Communism is a beautiful idea, a utopia. Sadly, due to human nature and the thirst for power in some countries, communism was used along with the idea of a supreme dictator. Communism isn't supposed to have "leaders". More or less advisers or guides.

[brandedelemental]

There are a large variety of communist systems, the majority of which haven't been implemented. If you are referring to Stalinist Communism, then I would agree that I dislike it and did more harm than it did good. I feel the same way about the communist systems in Cambodia and North Korea.

However, the Marxist concept of the working class rebelling against the elite, I would disagree. I believe violent revolutions to be wrong and unproductive, but I believe that peaceful, nonviolent, velvet revolutions against those who abuse their power for their own personal gain, to not be 'evil,' even though I personally prefer a mixed economy system.

[Dinotrakker]

[Legionnaire]

While I wouldn't say communism itself is necessarily evil, it simply wouldn't work in a "perfect" communist society. A system of complete equality will always end up with those on the top and those on the bottom, simply because of human nature.

[Octagon History]

The reason I hate communism is because it actually can be achieved. Especially with modern and future technology. The problem is has to reform society to the core. Even basic biological functions must be changed for Marxism to work. Karl Marx and Joseph Stalin both talk about this but I can't source for reasons stated in thread,but nevertheless I hate Communism because everything we hold dear must be annihilated for it to be achieved.

[SamSkey]

The reason I hate communism is because it actually can be achieved. Especially with modern and future technology. The problem is has to reform society to the core. Even basic biological functions must be changed for Marxism to work. Karl Marx and Joseph Stalin both talk about this but I can't source for reasons stated in thread,but nevertheless I hate Communism because everything we hold dear must be annihilated for it to be achieved.

What do you mean everything we hold dear must be annihilated?

[Octagon History]

By that I mean human nature must be changed for it work. Since it is not possible without changing humans fundamentally. Karl Marx talked about this in one of his books before The Communist Manifesto. Joseph Stalin used it as a way to justify his actions.

[SamSkey]

Human nature slowly changes, and communism will be long gone before it changes.

Again it doesn't mean communism itself is evil. The people that act on it without thinking about their actions are evil.

[Octagon History]

Human Nature changes yes,but not forcibly and not the things Communism requires to be changed.

[SamSkey]

You see communism as evil because it requires change? Or just because it requires change to Human Nature.

[Brusilov]

I don't think that communism is evil.
It's just an ideology. Am I a fan? No.
It was the reason for the downfall of Russia, which could've been a western country by the end of the 20th century and could've contributed much more to science and innovation due to the intellectuals staying in Russia and not immigrating to the US for example.
Communism can only work, if it's universally adopted by every single country on the planet.
It's biggest enemy, is the pure existance of capitalism.

[EmperorTigerstar]

Really, giving up your focus on monetary wealth, benefits for the poor, and having everyone work together to achieve a good life, which are all aspects of communism, are also things taught by Jesus Christ. Is Jesus evil? Of course not. Again it's because the ideas aren't inherently evil, it's because evil men have used communism's banner to do evil things. It happens with every ideology.

[Octagon History]

It's so much more than economic values. In his books Karl Marx describes how it must be setup and anyone who reads it will know it is kinda fucked up. If you want a ideology that promotes peace with every human than it is not Communism. I wish that is what Stalin got from Marx's writings.

Also Jesus promoted peace,but only through God. That's like saying Buddha is the same as Jesus because they both promoted peace.

[Brusilov]

Communism was also intended as a pacifist ideology. Modern socialists are very anti-war and want to reduce government spendings on military.

[SamSkey]

They want no Government spending on military.

[Brusilov]

Or even that far, yes.

[SamSkey]

I mean why would we need an army if Communism rules over the world and everyone likes it. There is no one to conquer.

[Brusilov]

Communism was intended to unite everyone. To make everyone equal, to stop fighting and bloodshedding.
Unfortunately, all of these revolutionaries didn't follow that path and weren't able to achieve communism without violence.
That's the general idea behing every left ideology. PACIFISM

[Octagon History]

Well first off calling all left wing ideology Pacifist and all right Wing ideology not pacifist is extremely disingenuous. Even then Communism isn't the only ideology that promotes pacifism and pacifism isn't the only core tenant of Communism. Those other tenants contradicting the first. I mean heck even in the Communist Manifesto it speaks of the Communist revolution which requires bloodshed by default.

[SamSkey]

This debate is never ending, because there will always be people who hate communism and like communism. Even though Communism is dying, people will still follow it.

[Octagon History]

Ok and? This is the Communism debate thread. We will debate on this till everyone quits this thread or it keeps on going until its too big and has to have a second thread.

[RMNiMiTz]

Communism, in my opinion, is theoretically possible, but damned by its fatal flaw, which is humanity. Humans inherently need incentive, which capitalism provides and communism does not.

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