Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Go down

Who should control the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts?

43% 43% 
[ 20 ]
21% 21% 
[ 10 ]
36% 36% 
[ 17 ]
 
Total Votes : 47

Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by Adolf Francolini on Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:52 pm

Though it looks like the conflict has died down a bit, it is absolutely unresolved. Thoughts?
avatar
Adolf Francolini
Cornicen

Posts : 44
Join date : 2017-07-08

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by Gnat_Bacon on Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:11 am

I believe that as long as the Russians don't puppet the nation's, it would be reasonable for them to end up independent due to the fact that they have much different culture from the west Ukrainians, being much more Russian than the west.

Gnat_Bacon
Pedes

Posts : 6
Join date : 2017-07-08

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by SamSkey on Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:48 am

I don't support either even though I am Russian, I think Russia should stay away from Ukraine.
avatar
SamSkey
Centurion

Posts : 221
Join date : 2017-07-08
Age : 19
Location : Indiana, USA

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by Voytek on Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:21 am

What about Russia's security though? NATO has been expanding rapidly recently so of course Russia would seek to maintain some kind of buffer zone. This conflict wasn't unprecedented.
avatar
Voytek
Pedes

Posts : 16
Join date : 2017-07-09
Age : 18
Location : australia

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by Panteni on Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:46 am

Honestly... i'm on russia's side here. They have merely adopted the tactics the US has shown to be working. Putin is a smart guy, he sees how the US has built its empire (through the marshallplan in europe and others) and how they create satelite states (middle east, south america). The UN and the world have accepted these tactics as optional, so yeah... Russia has a right to do whatever they want to do. That's the precedent that's been created.

Panteni
Pedes

Posts : 3
Join date : 2017-07-09

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by Samsid on Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:17 am

Russia. Because Yay for Imperialism!
avatar
Samsid
Cornicen

Posts : 41
Join date : 2017-07-09
Location : Umeå, Sweden

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by Calorean on Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:37 am

Should it be in the interest of the people living in these regions for them to have a referendum on what they would like to do?
Self-determination is, in my opinion, the best possible outcome for those living in these disputed regions and if they want to be with Russia, so be it. Same thing if they want to remain with Ukraine.
avatar
Calorean
Pedes

Posts : 7
Join date : 2017-07-08
Location : Victoria, Australia

View user profile https://www.youtube.com/NatoCaloGaming

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by Voytek on Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:27 am

That won't completely solve it. If the referendum is done and Ukraine split or kept together, you will still need NATO to stay out of it's affairs.
avatar
Voytek
Pedes

Posts : 16
Join date : 2017-07-09
Age : 18
Location : australia

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by Brusilov on Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:16 am

Russia only want's that space because it has a lot of coal.
That's the only reason
avatar
Brusilov
Centurion

Posts : 232
Join date : 2017-07-08
Age : 18
Location : Russian Empire

View user profile http://steamcommunity.com/id/MemeExamination/

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by Lil' Bolshevik on Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:17 pm

They should follow the lead of Crimea and have an open and fair referendum on what they want to do.

Lil' Bolshevik
Pedes

Posts : 2
Join date : 2017-07-09

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by jeanwickert on Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:58 am

Neither. I live pretty far away from Russia but I know people who live alongside its borders and are afraid of an occasional invasion. Just let the good folk live their lives.
avatar
jeanwickert
Cornicen

Posts : 25
Join date : 2017-07-09
Location : Santa Catarina

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by DavidlVofGeorgia on Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:10 pm

The US already has a deal with Ukraine that if they gave up their nukes then the US would defend them. Joining NATO is a formality.

Nobody is forcing Ukraine to join NATO. A poll finds that 63.9% of Ukrainians support NATO membership in territories controlled by the government.  

Every NATO expansion has been supported by the population. Russia does not have a right to decide what organizations Ukraine can join.  That decision should be self-determined.

Being realistic, this wouldn't happen unless Russia got something in return like annexing territory controlled by rebels.
avatar
DavidlVofGeorgia
Centurion

Posts : 138
Join date : 2017-07-08
Location : Tbilisi, Georgia

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by Lil' Bolshevik on Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:27 am

DavidlVofGeorgia wrote:The US already has a deal with Ukraine that if they gave up their nukes then the US would defend them. Joining NATO is a formality.

Nobody is forcing Ukraine to join NATO. A poll finds that 63.9% of Ukrainians support NATO membership in territories controlled by the government.  

Every NATO expansion has been supported by the population. Russia does not have a right to decide what organizations Ukraine can join.  That decision should be self-determined.

Being realistic, this wouldn't happen unless Russia got something in return like annexing territory controlled by rebels.

The United States and NATO agreed that NATO would never border Russia; this promise has been directly broken, and Ukraine joining would be a further violation of this agreement.

Lil' Bolshevik
Pedes

Posts : 2
Join date : 2017-07-09

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by Lord Yavimaya on Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:19 pm

I am a filthy American, who should naturally oppose Russia, but in this case, I feel that if the people there are Russian, then yes, it belongs to Russia OR they become independent states.
avatar
Lord Yavimaya
Optio

Posts : 68
Join date : 2017-07-08
Location : United States of America

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by EmperorTigerstar on Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:53 am

Crimea can stay with Russia, but Donetsk and Luhansk should go back to Ukraine.
avatar
EmperorTigerstar
Admin

Posts : 193
Join date : 2017-06-22
Age : 21
Location : Missouri, USA

View user profile http://terrahistoria.forumotion.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by EmperorTigerstar on Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:55 am

Voytek wrote:What about Russia's security though? NATO has been expanding rapidly recently so of course Russia would seek to maintain some kind of buffer zone. This conflict wasn't unprecedented.

I think that there should be an agreement where Ukraine, Moldova, and Belarus are guaranteed to never join NATO. That would keep a buffer zone and help ease tensions.
avatar
EmperorTigerstar
Admin

Posts : 193
Join date : 2017-06-22
Age : 21
Location : Missouri, USA

View user profile http://terrahistoria.forumotion.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by DavidlVofGeorgia on Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:57 am

EmperorTigerstar wrote:
Voytek wrote:What about Russia's security though? NATO has been expanding rapidly recently so of course Russia would seek to maintain some kind of buffer zone. This conflict wasn't unprecedented.

I think that there should be an agreement where Ukraine, Moldova, and Belarus are guaranteed to never join NATO. That would keep a buffer zone and help ease tensions.

That is basically transnistria, Luhansk, Donetsk, South Ossetia, and Abkhanzia are for. Agreements between NATO and Russia have a bad history of failing on both sides and the best way for Russia to ensure that is with separatist regions.
avatar
DavidlVofGeorgia
Centurion

Posts : 138
Join date : 2017-07-08
Location : Tbilisi, Georgia

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by Cold War Communist on Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:52 am

I support Russia's intervention and the annexation of the far Eastern regions of Ukraine only following a monitored and legitimate referendum by those regions.

avatar
Cold War Communist
Centurion

Posts : 263
Join date : 2017-07-11
Age : 95
Location : The East

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by Adolf Francolini on Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:05 am

Cold War Communist wrote:I support Russia's intervention and the annexation of the far Eastern regions of Ukraine only following a monitored and legitimate referendum by those regions.


I feel like this is the best way to do it. If the people of the region are ethnic Russians and support their home country, then they will vote in turn. If they support Ukraine, then so be it. Self-determination is important, as long as the referendum is legitimate.
avatar
Adolf Francolini
Cornicen

Posts : 44
Join date : 2017-07-08

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by eggcrate09 on Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:14 pm

I believe that it is rightful Russian lands. Same culture, the people want to actually join Russia. They have been fighting for years now to either join Russia or have large ties with them. Of course if I am wrong and everyone there hates the Russians and they hold a vote then they should be free states.

eggcrate09
Cornicen

Posts : 30
Join date : 2017-07-18

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by Historyislove on Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:44 am

Back to Ukrain because we (the Germans) aren't allowed to get territory which is ethnically German too;)

Historyislove
Pedes

Posts : 13
Join date : 2017-08-03
Location : Germany

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who do you support in the Ukraine conflicts?

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum