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Greatest African Empire/Kingdom?

Post by I Like The Holocaust on Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:14 am

This poll is for the greatest empires or kingdoms made by Africans instead of the European colonial empires
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Re: Greatest African Empire/Kingdom?

Post by Jake Mapper on Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:02 pm

Of the Above. Probally Ethopia due to the fact that it was able to resist colonialism for some time and beat Italy in war
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Re: Greatest African Empire/Kingdom?

Post by Zedphyr on Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:00 pm

You say that like beating Italians in a war is hard
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Re: Greatest African Empire/Kingdom?

Post by Crazy Boris on Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:33 pm

I'm gonna say Mali, with honorable mentions to Zulu and Kush.
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Post by Jake Mapper on Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:42 pm

Zedphyr wrote:You say that like beating Italians in a war is hard

Italians due suck at Modern War yes but them losing against a undeveloped African Nation in the 19th century is embarrassing
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Post by Crazy Boris on Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:05 pm

> but them losing against a undeveloped African Nation in the 19th century is embarrassing

(Sorry for pack of proper quote formatting. I'm on mobile)

if I remember correctly, Ethiopia was actually fairly advanced at the time the Italians came by. Emperor Tewodros II really helped modernize the country after the Zemene Mesafint.
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Re: Greatest African Empire/Kingdom?

Post by Ariestat 1666 on Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:52 pm

1. Ethiopian empire : because of their fairly, modernized technology
2. Zulu kingdom (honorable mention) : victory against the british in isandlawana

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Post by TrueCommunistDoggo on Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:30 am

Zulu. Zulu wins every time.
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Post by SvennyBoi on Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:17 am

Where're Carthage and Egypt?
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Post by Jake Mapper on Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:31 am

Crazy Boris wrote:> but them losing against a undeveloped African Nation in the 19th century is embarrassing

(Sorry for pack of proper quote formatting. I'm on mobile)

if I remember correctly, Ethiopia was actually fairly advanced at the time the Italians came by. Emperor Tewodros II really helped modernize the country after the Zemene Mesafint.

They had done some yes but compared to a 19th industrial European nation like Italy, they should of been at a disadvantage in the war against italy but Italy still lost
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Re: Greatest African Empire/Kingdom?

Post by BasqueHistorian on Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:50 pm

Ethiopian Empire by far, Ethiopia being the only African country not colonized, and not even conquered ever (I think). It was also the example for the independence of so many other nations around the continent.
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Post by Malotun on Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:07 pm

I will say Aksum due to their "economical power" in Africa before the rise of the Caliphate.


But definitely should be Egypt... and why is not in the poll?
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Post by EmperorTigerstar on Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:45 am

Mali followed by Ethiopia.
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Post by Octagon History on Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:53 pm

The Mali Emprie was just so rich. They had so much gold it caused them to have an over abundance of gold and collapse their empire.
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Re: Greatest African Empire/Kingdom?

Post by Cold War Communist on Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:29 pm

Zedphyr wrote:You say that like beating Italians in a war is hard

How about never being colonized? Sure, beating Italy might have been easy, but that was just the final hurdle.
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Post by Commie_China_Champ on Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:33 pm

BasqueHistorian wrote:Ethiopian Empire by far, Ethiopia being the only African country not colonized, and not even conquered ever (I think). It was also the example for the independence of so many other nations around the continent.
Italy conquered Ethiopia in 1936 but it was liberated just 5 years after by the allies in world war 2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Italo-Ethiopian_War
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Post by Cold War Communist on Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:36 pm

Commie_China_Champ wrote:
BasqueHistorian wrote:Ethiopian Empire by far, Ethiopia being the only African country not colonized, and not even conquered ever (I think). It was also the example for the independence of so many other nations around the continent.
Italy conquered Ethiopia in 1936 but it was liberated just 5 years after by the allies in world war 2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Italo-Ethiopian_War

Conquered, but not colonized.
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Re: Greatest African Empire/Kingdom?

Post by Commie_China_Champ on Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:44 pm

Cold War Communist wrote:
Commie_China_Champ wrote:
BasqueHistorian wrote:Ethiopian Empire by far, Ethiopia being the only African country not colonized, and not even conquered ever (I think). It was also the example for the independence of so many other nations around the continent.
Italy conquered Ethiopia in 1936 but it was liberated just 5 years after by the allies in world war 2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Italo-Ethiopian_War

Conquered, but not colonized.
Nope it was colonized as well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italians_of_Ethiopia
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Post by Cold War Communist on Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:57 pm

Commie_China_Champ wrote:Nope it was colonized as well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italians_of_Ethiopia

Very interesting. It does not read as being "colonized", but rather conquered with numerous abuses. Sort of like the German invasion of Poland. I do however recognize that historians, at least on Wikipedia, are referring to Ethiopia as a "colony", but for the record I disagree strongly with that notion. I will continue to look into this topic, though.
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Re: Greatest African Empire/Kingdom?

Post by Hatshepsut on Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:54 pm

I love the idea of this poll, though I would personally have voted for the Dervish State in addition to the Ethiopian Empire and the Mamluk Sultanate.
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Re: Greatest African Empire/Kingdom?

Post by Lord Yavimaya on Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:33 am

I am inclined to pick the Zulus simply because of Sabaton, but to be honest Ethiopia is pretty cool. The amount of Green, Yellow, and Red on African flags all originated from Ethiopia's successes. It is also cool how it was an isolated kingdom of Christians surrounded by Muslims in Nubia and Somalia for centuries, and also one of the first Christian kingdoms.
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Re: Greatest African Empire/Kingdom?

Post by MultiMocking on Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:02 pm

Zulu best kingdom

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Re: Greatest African Empire/Kingdom?

Post by JHG on Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:25 pm

I pick Songhai.
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Re: Greatest African Empire/Kingdom?

Post by Dittatore_Signore_Massimo on Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:45 pm

Mali and Ethiopia second. The Mali empire managed to become a very rich empire (the richest man in the world is from Mali), and Ethiopia Managed to stay un-colonized and keep it's culture intact, unlike many african civilizations.
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Re: Greatest African Empire/Kingdom?

Post by fischyk on Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:12 am

I really like the Kingdom of Zimbabwe, as they were able to import luxury items from the Middle East and East Asia. The also controlled a great amount of the gold trade from the Southern-African region.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Zimbabwe
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