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Lotharingia/Middle Francia never falls

Post by Wend on Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:13 am

What would have happened if Lotharingia has never fallen? How would the "Lotharingian" identity be like? Would it be a European superpower, or rather just Franco-German condominium at best?
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Post by EmperorTigerstar on Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:37 am

The border would aesthetically suck, that's for sure.
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Post by Lord Yavimaya on Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:07 pm

Hmm...
I'm sure this thing wouldn't survive, but it would serve as a cultural blender for some time. It would probably break up into Dutch states, a few German states, then larger French states such as Burgundy and Lorraine. I don't think it is feasible that these different cultures merge enough to become a unified nation-state. Anyways, French duchies would eventually be annexed into France. For the German and Dutch states, they might never join the HRE, creating what could become a separate Dutch-Westphalian culture that would make those areas less German. If this area's culture was to survive with less contact from the rest of Germany we could see a larger Netherlands type country which could rival the growing naval power of England throughout the Middle Ages into the Colonial era. Without the Duchy of Burgundy's presence in the Netherlands, they would have never fallen under Austrian/Spanish control, meaning no 80 years war. The Netherlands would likely become a great Colonial power much earlier and could possibly maintain their colony of New Amsterdam in the new world. Or, the Netherlands could fall under French influence over time without the protection of the HRE. This is all just speculation, but I suspect that the aftermath of Middle Francia could be Dutch and Westphalian cultures merging to create a stronger, younger Netherlands.
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