What if France and Austria won the Seven Years War?

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What if France and Austria won the Seven Years War?

Post by Mr Trolldemort on Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:40 pm

The Seven Years war was fought between 1756 and 1763 and was fought between Great Britain and Prussia versus France and Austria, Russia, Spain and a lot more other countries on both sides. It was the first war to span multiple continents, from Europe and the Americas to India.

In our timeline, English and Prussia were victorious. France lost nearly all it's North American and Indian colonies, and Prussia ended up rising as a major power in Europe. But what if France and Austria won the war? What would the world look like after?

I personally think it would mean in Europe Austria would now be by far the most influential power in Central Europe. Without another power in Germany to confront them, Austria should be powerful enough to unite the Germans under their rule without the HRE.

France would now be able to take over a lot of territory from the British in Indian and North America, and their army (and more importantly, their navy) will remain powerful enough to fight Britain in future wars and completely changing the power dynamics of the 19th and 20th century

What do you guys think would happen if France and Austria won?
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Post by RV813 on Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:16 pm

Perhaps the Thirteen Colonies would have become independent because they were more populated and more English and probably wouldn't have enjoyed being under French rule. I also think it would be likely that France would experience a weakening of the monarchy due to the increasing popularity of Enlightenment values, but in the end be much more stable politically.
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Re: What if France and Austria won the Seven Years War?

Post by Mr Trolldemort on Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:45 pm

RV813 wrote:Perhaps the Thirteen Colonies would have become independent because they were more populated and more English and probably wouldn't have enjoyed being under French rule.  I also think it would be likely that France would experience a weakening of the monarchy due to the increasing popularity of Enlightenment values, but in the end be much more stable politically.  

True, we know from our timeline the population in the 13 colonies were very opposed to lack of representation, so they would be very hostile to the French, since it would be under an absolute monarchy and a foreign one too, so I'm sure there would be countless rebellions. However, I think enlightenment values would actually decrease, because a major factor was the American revolution and the loss of prestige and funds for the French monarchy. If not successful revolution occurs, it would show how powerful and successful an absolute monarch is. That would mean less revolts, no French revolution, no Napoleon and so on.
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Re: What if France and Austria won the Seven Years War?

Post by Cold War Communist on Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:42 pm

Then they might not be so accommodating to American interests after the revolution. France was kind of friendly to the U.S. because it harbored ill-intent toward Britain for defeating them in this war (bonus: the cost and shame of the defeat in this war helped push France over the edge toward revolution).

In summary, the French may have been more apt to "take" things from a new, weak country that separated from GB. Or at the least, would have really pressed its influence from the area West of the colonies.
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Re: What if France and Austria won the Seven Years War?

Post by Mr Trolldemort on Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:53 pm

Cold War Communist wrote:Then they might not be so accommodating to American interests after the revolution. France was kind of friendly to the U.S. because it harbored ill-intent toward Britain for defeating them in this war (bonus: the cost and shame of the defeat in this war helped push France over the edge toward revolution).

In summary, the French may have been more apt to "take" things from a new, weak country that separated from GB. Or at the least, would have really pressed its influence from the area West of the colonies.

I think we would see something similar to Quebec in our timeline, with a sizable population of English people too large to deport all of them and the French having to accommodate a different culture in their North American colonies and varying between assimilation and giving them more autonomy depending on the situation.
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Re: What if France and Austria won the Seven Years War?

Post by Cold War Communist on Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:58 pm

Mr Trolldemort wrote:
Cold War Communist wrote:Then they might not be so accommodating to American interests after the revolution. France was kind of friendly to the U.S. because it harbored ill-intent toward Britain for defeating them in this war (bonus: the cost and shame of the defeat in this war helped push France over the edge toward revolution).

In summary, the French may have been more apt to "take" things from a new, weak country that separated from GB. Or at the least, would have really pressed its influence from the area West of the colonies.

I think we would see something similar to Quebec in our timeline, with a sizable population of English people too large to deport all of them and the French having to accommodate a different culture in their North American colonies and varying between assimilation and giving them more autonomy depending on the situation.  

Very probable, but I would expect it to center around a route from Quebec to New Orleans. A thin population that makes the U.S. map something like a layer cake with the English to the East, the French in the center, and the Spanish to the West. I am not certain that winning the 7 Years War could have prevented the French Revolution, so I can't say if the French-American colonies would have stayed...French.

The English populations could easily have been dealt with, though. The treatment loyalists/Tories received by Americans after the Revolution, as well as the way the Americans treated the French during the Quasi-War are notable examples of how to deal with populations and force them to hit the road.
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Re: What if France and Austria won the Seven Years War?

Post by DuceMoosolini on Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:00 pm

Another implication of a French/Austrian victory regards German unification. Austria's primary goal in the war was to retake Silesia, which had been taken by Frederick during the War of the Austrian Succession. Had they done so, Prussia would never have become the kind of great power we had in our timeline. You wouldn't have had Frederick the Great. You would have had Frederick the Guy Who Shouldn't Have Messed With Austria.

While a lot of things can happen in 100 years, this destruction of Prussia (a lot of Prussians died, even in our TL) probably would have kept them in minor country territory for the foreseeable future. This means that you wouldn't have had a Prusso-Austrian War in 1866, which means that German unification could very well have happened on Austria's terms. And who knows what would have happened to the world after that.
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Re: What if France and Austria won the Seven Years War?

Post by ceaserkhan22 on Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:50 pm

The french would have eventually gain control of India, and when they are conquered by the germans in WW2, the Japanese and German axis powers will be touching in south Asia and better able to coordinate their fight against the allies. Also Canada would be under the axis also since it would've been french, so the U.S. would be invaded by NAZI's from the North.
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