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Post by I Like The Holocaust on Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:22 am

This thread is for to talk about third parties that you support, find interesting and the future of third parties in America.
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Re: Third Parties

Post by DavidlVofGeorgia on Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:44 pm

Third parties can't be viable until we move to a single transferable vote system.
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Re: Third Parties

Post by Mr Trolldemort on Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:51 pm

It's not a political party in the US, but there is one third party I find interesting in Canada

There is a party called the New Democratic Party (or NDP) that has consistently been the third party in Canadian politics since it's formation in 1961.  It was a merger of 2 socialist parties, but as maintained a more social democratic policy since then. What I find interesting about them is the fact that Canada has exactly the same kind of voting system as the USA (First past the post) but unlike the US, never developed a truly two party system.  In fact, they were at one point one of the most powerful parties who provided the balance of power for the liberals during the 1960s and 70s and are the reason Canada has universal healthcare nationwide.  Whats even more interesting was that in 2011, they become the official opposition in Canada, being only one of 2 parties to hold that position outside of the Conservatives or Liberals.  There was even a point last election where they had a serious chance of forming the government, but they got their votes taken by the Liberals who took a lot of their core base and the party strayed more to the centre than people wanted.

Currently, they are now the 3rd party again and are currently choosing a new party leader, but I could see them getting more popular by taking back some of their core supporters that were lost now that people are seeing that Trudeau isn't the progressive everyone thought he would be.  Who knows, maybe they could make another comeback like in 2011, but they need a really charismatic leader and I'm not sure they have one yet out of the possible contenders.
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Re: Third Parties

Post by Adolf Francolini on Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:05 am

I don't think it's likely for third parties to become viable in the United States. Any party shift would happen due to the splitting of a major party or the co-option of a major party by people from a different base. It's possibly that party splits could involve a third party, but I couldn't see a third party simply rising on its own merit just due to the voting system.
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Re: Third Parties

Post by Big_Appa on Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:17 pm

No viable third parties in the United States. Politically I'd probably lie around the Green Party, but I'd never vote for them. They stand no chance in anything above a city council election.
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Re: Third Parties

Post by Bowtie on Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:11 pm

The Democrats and Republicans can trace their history back to Thomas Jefferson, to have a chance today a third party would have to show a connection to our past,

I think with the right person the Bull Moose Party could be Resurrected, its main platform could be pro-environment conservative values and anti Trump.

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Re: Third Parties

Post by Max Hess on Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:07 pm

One of the major grievances I have against the US government is that its basic structure, by its very nature, mandates a two-party system.

The structure of the American democratic system inevitably polarizes American society towards the right and left of the political spectrum. As a result, two enormous corporations, namely the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, have consolidated a duopoly on the composition of the US government. It is now next to impossible for a politician to seek election to a position of power without the endorsement and support of one of the two political parties. In return for this endorsement and support, politicians become virtually indentured to their parties and are obligated to act in the interest of the party rather than of the nation.

Parliamentary systems of government, by contrast, are structured to allow a diverse range of political positions to be represented in the government through a multiparty system. This is one reason I would support a switch to a parliamentary system for the United States.
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Re: Third Parties

Post by Max Hess on Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:52 pm

Another way to solve this problem and eliminate the two-party system is to institute a preferential voting system.

The current first-past-the-post system forces voters to vote strategically and support the candidate whom they hate slightly less than the alternative because if they try to support a less popular candidate whom they actually agree with, they'll be wasting their vote and helping the candidate they like the least.

For example, in November 2016, American voters were forced to choose between two shitty candidates, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, and decide who was the lesser of two evils. There's a reason third-party candidates like Johnson or Green didn't get any significant support: imagine a guy named Johnny who really likes Gary Johnson, hates Hillary Clinton, and hates Donald Trump even more. If he votes for Johnson, he might as well have thrown away his ballot, because Johnson's not getting elected. So instead he votes for Clinton because he'd rather support a terrible candidate against an even worse candidate than do nothing at all to affect the outcome.

With a preferential voting system, voters are able to honestly vote for the candidate whom they want to elect because they know that even if their candidate loses, their vote will still continue to influence the outcome of the election by helping their next favorite candidate. In this way third parties can begin to win their fair share of elections. Preferential voting creates outcomes that accurately reflect what the voters really want.
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