What if Britian was completey alone to fight out the Axis powers in WW2?

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What if Britian was completey alone to fight out the Axis powers in WW2?

Post by CompactMold409 on Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:34 pm

So, in this scenario, the question is What if Britain was alone to fight the Axis Powers?
Well, first things first, There would need to be 2 things to make this even possible first of all The Nazis would have defeated Russia on the eastern front before the winter hit & When the Japanese Attacked Pearl Harbor The United States would not respond just as the Japanese hoped. So the reason the Nazis didn't get to take out Russia was that Army group Center was outside Moscow but Hitler wanted to help out army group south so army group center had to go down and help army group south than when they reached Moscow it was beginning to become cold and the weather stopped the Germans allowing the Russians to fight back. so in this scenario, Hitler just invaded Moscow and took out Russia and end the war on the eastern front. Also When Japan attacked America at Pearl Harbor the Americans didn't react as the Japanese planned so this would leave Britain, Alone against 3 dangerous Powers Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy and The Empire of Japan and Britain already was losing a lot of men and land from all these empires and Britain even with its empire wouldn't be strong enough to hold all the Axis powers off, Forcing Britain to either retreat or to fight until on forever as Winston Churchhill had said. So what do you think would of happen? Please leave your Scenarios in the Description

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Post by Retro on Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:40 pm

Well, I would say the Germans declaring war against the Soviets before they started the Winter war would be... a little out there. However, If Britain was alone to fight the Germans, Germany would easily paratroop and naval invade the British mainland. soon forcing them to surrender. Basically ending in a stereotypical German Victory, dominant country in Europe blah blah blah. You know the drill.

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Re: What if Britian was completey alone to fight out the Axis powers in WW2?

Post by CompactMold409 on Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:42 pm

There was one problem though Britain after the Battle of Britain had superior in the Sky and Sea

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Re: What if Britian was completey alone to fight out the Axis powers in WW2?

Post by iCod on Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:08 pm

Unless Germany found a way to gain control of the English channel, I don't see the war going any differently.
Perhaps Germany would've left them alone or continued their bombing campaigns.
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Re: What if Britian was completey alone to fight out the Axis powers in WW2?

Post by Kurt Tank on Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:30 pm

Only way Britain would lose would be from U-Boats sinking more ships than they did during the war.

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Post by Retro on Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:52 am

You all are not thinking in the long term. Britain would eventually run out of resources and manpower. The Germans would eventually beat them and win the second world war.

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Post by TrueCommunistDoggo on Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:06 am

Everyone here seems to forget that Britain was only days off surrender at points during the battle of Britain, when it wasn't fighting alone. Britain and the commonwealth would slowly fall piece by piece lacking the sheer military might of Germany, and Hitler's "Lebensraum" or "Living Space" would have come into action. Britain would be turned into a holiday camp for Germans (Not even joking, that's what Hitler wanted Britain for).
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Re: What if Britian was completey alone to fight out the Axis powers in WW2?

Post by DuceMoosolini on Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:11 pm

The lead up to this scenario is a bit far-fetched, in my opinion, since I don't see Germany winning against the Soviets before the Winter War. And would the US just . . . not declare war on Japan? Or would Hitler not declare war on the US? Either one of these is very unlikely.

But for argument's sake, let's say the UK is facing a hostile Western Europe where Hitler has no distractions to his east and the Americans are still just sending weapons and not willing to intervene.

The way I see it, Germany wins.

Long story, Germany wins incompletely.

To look more in-depth, a complete German victory (ie. conquering Britain, or else turning it into a puppet or vassal), rested on the success of Operation Sealion, a planned invasion of Great Britain. This is pure fantasy, and even the Nazis knew it. Hermann Göring, Adolf Galland, and Admiral Dönitz all viewed the plans as a hypothetical, not to be taken seriously. They decided the invasion needed two prerequisites to go forward: air superiority and naval superiority. Germany had neither and had little hope of achieving them quickly. The Royal Navy was overpowering and the RAF with its radar proved stubbornly effective at resisting the Germans during the Battle of Britain. Even then, if the landings were successful, the Germans would have to march through densely populated and implacably hostile land. Hitler himself said as early as 1940 he had no wish to invade the Isle if there was a safer option open to him. If Hitler himself is smart enough to see a military disaster incoming, you know it's gonna be bad.

In reality, I see this turning into something like a siege, with events unfolding as follows:

The Kreigsmarine's U-boats sink any ships heading towards British land (apparently without triggering American aggression). They don't get everything, far from it, but they manage to put the squeeze on even while taking losses. Without the Eastern Front to eat Hitler's supplies, he instead devotes more resources to Rommel's forces in Africa, allowing him to capture the Suez and further restrict British trade. Despite the relative inefficiency, Hitler continues to pour more and more planes into the Battle of Britain, just hoping to damage as much infrastructure as possible and make the British people miserable and tired of war.

On the British home front, things are looking desperate. Rationing is becoming severe, and industrial resources are beginning to run out. More and more bombers are making it through to the cities, and damage is extensive. The British military has no hope of invading France, and even if it did, they would be thrown back almost immediately. The only thing keeping Britain in the war is the charisma of Winston Churchill, but even his words over the radio begin to seem hollow.

In Germany, a different story. In real life, rationing didn't even begin in Germany until the disaster at Stalingrad. Here, the German people are full and happy, and many only experience the war through propaganda newsreels. Germans die in the Channel, and the Atlantic, and in Africa, but they die heroic deaths for the Fatherland.

Around the world, the British Empire is dying. The Japanese, without American intervention, have seized British lands in the Pacific and in China, and now push into the Raj itself. With the Chinese front growing more secure by the day, the Japanese pour men into the Raj and push deep into its rich lands, slaughtering the people they find.

Every country has a breaking point, and the British under Churchill were no exception. The Germans alternate between offering peace deals and threatening invasion. The cold and starving civilians almost believe the latter possibility. Sometime, I wouldn't say anytime before late 1942, Churchill is forced to resign, and the British government agrees to enter negotiations with Hitler's Germany.

The peace deal spells the end of the British Empire, but not the United Kingdom. Japan carves India into pieces and turns them into puppet regimes, also taking Hong Kong and all of Britain's Pacific islands. British colonies in Africa are either annexed by Italy or made into puppet states by Germany. Either Italy or Germany (probably Germany) takes control of Egypt and the Suez. Japan probably couldn't handle taking Australia without overextending itself, so I don't see a subjugated Australia. Similarly, Canada probably also keeps its freedom.

As for the United Kingdom, it gets to keep its sovereignty and rebuild from the war. They probably end up something like Finland during the Cold War. German diplomats barge into British government meetings and shout orders and questions like they own the place. Germany classifies the UK as "aspiring to be independent." Even so, Hitler still seeks to maintain good relations with the defeated kingdom; after all, the British are reasonably racially pure. Somewhere along the line, Germany offers military protection, or perhaps this was in the peace treaty. Regardless, the UK becomes all but an ally of Hitler's new regime, and as time goes on, Nazi ideology spills into Great Britain from German airwaves and television stations. Things get harder for Britain's Jews and easier for the Nazi state. Racially impure individuals are deported to Canada. The UK remains a democracy, but it's a harsher and colder nation than before. Hitler's eventual death is met with mixed feelings, but the death of his successor is met with days of mourning.

(This was a pretty interesting scenario to think about. I think this result could also happen with a German war against the Soviets, but a neutral US. Have FDR not become the President for some reason, replace him with someone indifferent towards Japanese expansion--removing the oil sanction and therefore Pearl Harbor--and I think we have an interesting premise for an AH story.)
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