TERRA HISTORIA
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War

5 posters

Go down

What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War Empty What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War

Post by NanananotBatman Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:57 pm

Just wishful thinking. Would it's economy experience a boom or bust? Would it be just another Thailand or would the Japanese see it as easy pickings? Would this mean that the US wouldn’t be dragged into WWII? Will the moros in Mindano join the new republic?
NanananotBatman
NanananotBatman
Pedes

Posts : 2
Join date : 2017-07-08

Back to top Go down

What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War Empty Re: What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War

Post by Aaronklk Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:33 pm

The Japanese would likely invade the Philippines and establish a puppet state. The U.S will now have less of a presence in the Pacific but Japan could still consider them a threat. The U.S would be less likely to join WW2.
Aaronklk
Aaronklk
Pedes

Posts : 24
Join date : 2017-07-08

Back to top Go down

What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War Empty Re: What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War

Post by CptCrape Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:40 pm

It may have evaded Pearl Harbor.

One of the main reasons the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in the first place was to destroy the US's large Pacific Battle Fleet stationed there and cripple US efforts in the Pacific. The bombing of the US fleet allowed them to take the East indies and The Philippines with ease, as the US was the only Nation with the firepower and will to fight them. An independent (and likely very poor) Philippines would've been virtually indefensible against Japanese Imperialist efforts in the Pacific. In fact, it probably would've been annexed before the war.
CptCrape
CptCrape
Centurion

Posts : 202
Join date : 2017-07-08
Location : Utah, USA

Back to top Go down

What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War Empty Re: What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War

Post by NanananotBatman Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:20 am

It could prevent Pearl Harbor but I think the US would've still looked for a way to join the war. After all, they still have economic interests in Asia. Given the time and propper administration, the Philippines could've been on par with Thailand at least but it still wouldn't be a match against Japan.
NanananotBatman
NanananotBatman
Pedes

Posts : 2
Join date : 2017-07-08

Back to top Go down

What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War Empty Re: What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War

Post by CptCrape Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:52 pm

NanananotBatman wrote:It could prevent Pearl Harbor but I think the US would've still looked for a way to join the war. After all, they still have economic interests in Asia. Given the time and propper administration, the Philippines could've been on par with Thailand at least but it still wouldn't be a match against Japan.
The Phillipines would've likely been like Korea in 1910, dirt poor, full of resources and easy to conquer. The USA might've even blocked trade to the Philippines if it lost the revolution.
CptCrape
CptCrape
Centurion

Posts : 202
Join date : 2017-07-08
Location : Utah, USA

Back to top Go down

What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War Empty Re: What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War

Post by Big_Appa Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:56 pm

Japan wouldn't provoke the US into entering WWII. However, I also suspect that the Philippines would become an impoverished state and fail to establish itself as a powerful state. Some other power would seize control in a decade or two, most likely Japan.
Big_Appa
Big_Appa
Optio

Posts : 55
Join date : 2017-07-08

Back to top Go down

What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War Empty Re: What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War

Post by CptCrape Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:26 pm

Big_Appa wrote:Japan wouldn't provoke the US into entering WWII. However, I also suspect that the Philippines would become an impoverished state and fail to establish itself as a powerful state. Some other power would seize control in a decade or two, most likely Japan.
It's possible it could become powerful, but most likely not.
CptCrape
CptCrape
Centurion

Posts : 202
Join date : 2017-07-08
Location : Utah, USA

Back to top Go down

What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War Empty Re: What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War

Post by Cold War Communist Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:49 pm

CptCrape wrote:It may have evaded Pearl Harbor.

One of the main reasons the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in the first place was to destroy the US's large Pacific Battle Fleet stationed there and cripple US efforts in the Pacific. The bombing of the US fleet allowed them to take the East indies and The Philippines with ease, as the US was the only Nation with the firepower and will to fight them. An independent (and likely very poor) Philippines would've been virtually indefensible against Japanese Imperialist efforts in the Pacific. In fact, it probably would've been annexed before the war.

I doubt that. The main reason Japan forced the hand of the U.S. was to try and end the oil embargo they had against them. Japan figured that if they could string together hard-hitting victories in rapid succession, the U.S. would be forced to negotiate a truce and resume normal trading conditions with the Empire.

When Pearl Harbour failed to achieve the aims of the Japanese, the Empire decided to fortify the Pacific by conquering territory and surrounding itself with buffer states from which it could launch naval operations and air raids. That plan came to a halt at Midway though.

On topic, I think the Philippines would have suffered all the same as it has thusly, but it would still maintain its unique culture. Not much changes if the U.S. fails to conquer them.
Cold War Communist
Cold War Communist
Centurion

Posts : 263
Join date : 2017-07-11
Age : 101
Location : The East

Back to top Go down

What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War Empty Re: What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War

Post by CptCrape Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:37 pm

Cold War Communist wrote:
CptCrape wrote:It may have evaded Pearl Harbor.

One of the main reasons the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in the first place was to destroy the US's large Pacific Battle Fleet stationed there and cripple US efforts in the Pacific. The bombing of the US fleet allowed them to take the East indies and The Philippines with ease, as the US was the only Nation with the firepower and will to fight them. An independent (and likely very poor) Philippines would've been virtually indefensible against Japanese Imperialist efforts in the Pacific. In fact, it probably would've been annexed before the war.

I doubt that. The main reason Japan forced the hand of the U.S. was to try and end the oil embargo they had against them. Japan figured that if they could string together hard-hitting victories in rapid succession, the U.S. would be forced to negotiate a truce and resume normal trading conditions with the Empire.

When Pearl Harbour failed to achieve the aims of the Japanese, the Empire decided to fortify the Pacific by conquering territory and surrounding itself with buffer states from which it could launch naval operations and air raids. That plan came to a halt at Midway though.

On topic, I think the Philippines would have suffered all the same as it has thusly, but it would still maintain its unique culture. Not much changes if the U.S. fails to conquer them.
That's not why. They destroyed the Pacific Fleet to hopefully kick the US out of the war so they could take the Oil-Rich Dutch East Indies with ease.
CptCrape
CptCrape
Centurion

Posts : 202
Join date : 2017-07-08
Location : Utah, USA

Back to top Go down

What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War Empty Re: What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War

Post by Cold War Communist Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:44 pm

They also wanted the U.S. to begin selling commodities to them again for the war effort. Hence, attack the U.S., knock out their fleet, force them to negotiate to their terms.
Cold War Communist
Cold War Communist
Centurion

Posts : 263
Join date : 2017-07-11
Age : 101
Location : The East

Back to top Go down

What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War Empty Re: What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War

Post by CptCrape Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:50 pm

Cold War Communist wrote:They also wanted the U.S. to begin selling commodities to them again for the war effort. Hence, attack the U.S., knock out their fleet, force them to negotiate to their terms.
I don't know what Japan was thinking, usually when you attack a nation they counterattack, they don't drop to their knees and beg for mercy.
CptCrape
CptCrape
Centurion

Posts : 202
Join date : 2017-07-08
Location : Utah, USA

Back to top Go down

What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War Empty Re: What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War

Post by Cold War Communist Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:50 am

That is exactly how Yamamoto felt about it, but nobody listened to him.
Cold War Communist
Cold War Communist
Centurion

Posts : 263
Join date : 2017-07-11
Age : 101
Location : The East

Back to top Go down

What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War Empty Re: What if the Philippines won in the Philippine-American War

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum