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Post by Nachos81 on Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:24 pm

From Communism to Fascism, where do you fall on the spectrum? Explain why your ideology is superior to all others. I personally am more of Progressive Liberal that believes more government action needs to take place in the economy and that the New Deal had a good idea. In much simpler terms, I think the economy should be like how in Mario Kart it gets easier when you are in last (except all of the shells:D ). I could very much be wrong, what do you guys believe in?
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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by _Dewey on Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:59 pm

Pretty much the same, Social Democrat, but socially more conservative if that makes sense. So like, I like the policies of Bernie, or FDR, but when it comes to stuff like safe spaces, free speech, etc. i tend to have a more status quo stance. More in favour of freedom than feelings I guess.
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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by Nachos81 on Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:08 pm

I see, that makes sense
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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by RandSinger on Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:30 pm

Social Democracy

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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by Adolf Francolini on Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:44 pm

Ethnonationalism, I think that globalization is unfortunately destructive to cultures worldwide (the buildings of Shanghai, New York, and Nairobi all look depressingly alike), and that multiculturalism will have the inevitable result of merging people into a single culture and race. I think that it's important to have diversity internationally, because if you instead have diversity within nations, it realistically cannot last.

Economically I'm a bit open, likely a moderate. Some socialist positions are beneficial but a free market in most respects is necessary. I think bureaucracy is a bit bloated and there are unnecessary regulations, but at the same time new programs could potentially be very good for the country. I would support a government nuclear power program. Also, increased NASA and science research budget.
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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by r3volutionr0ck on Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:06 pm

*Bad English Alert*
First i was a Anarchist, then a Marxist and A populist. Now i like to describe my point of view as a "Green Liberal Marxist" besides the Controversy this fits well my political view.

In high school i've discovered Bakunin and Marx, and immediately identified myself with them. My high school teacher also recommended me Rosseau. Later On i discovered Malatesta, Keynes, Adam Smith and others. I do belive in the benefitial influence of capitalism in the modern world society, but as well i know poverty, i mean extreme poverty. I'm from Brazil, thanks for my ancestors work i'm well born, had the oportunity to attend good schools, went to a good college and all. But i can still see homeless kids in the traffic light asking for money to eat, you know? So i'm very much a Marxist that way. A nation's wealth it's the people wealth.
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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by r3volutionr0ck on Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:35 pm

For you can have an idea of what i'm talking about, this is the city i live in Curitiba. A regional metropole responsable for Volvo, Renault, Electrolux and Many others in South America.  The City HDI stands around 0,850 (very high). But you know, third world is messed up, this two places are around 20 minutes away from each other by car. First one is that very european small town alike houses, big apartament buildings and all. And The other one is this Lagos like Shanty Town (you can see in the horizon the developed urban center). This formed my opinion on politics, Brazil is one of the fastest growing economics of the last decade, the 8th in the world, we have like EVERYTHING you can name it. Gold, Oil, Diamonds, Iron, Coffee, Culture!But Look At This. Like Who wouldn't be a little marxist?
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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by Nachos81 on Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:03 pm

Wow, those are some great photos but I see what you mean with Brazil and its extreme poverty. Thanks to everyone for pointing out there ideologies so far
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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by Carl Hamilton on Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:39 am

Maybe my understanding of what ideology means is different from what it is used as, but to me it's something you be believe in, it's what you believe. It's the set of ideas which you hold to be morally and reasonably correct. They probably change over time and are rarely clearly defined.

If I am anything at all, I'm probably what Karl Marx claimed a theoretical communist would be, in that I wish for the best for most people, not just where I live but in the world, but it doesn't mean I follow any particular dogma made by people who later claimed to be communist. And I don't have solutions to all of society's problems.
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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by jeanwickert on Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:51 am

r3volutionr0ck wrote:For you can have an idea of what i'm talking about, this is the city i live in Curitiba. A regional metropole responsable for Volvo, Renault, Electrolux and Many others in South America.  The City HDI stands around 0,850 (very high). But you know, third world is messed up, this two places are around 20 minutes away from each other by car. First one is that very european small town alike houses, big apartament buildings and all. And The other one is this Lagos like Shanty Town (you can see in the horizon the developed urban center). This formed my opinion on politics, Brazil is one of the fastest growing economics of the last decade, the 8th in the world, we have like EVERYTHING you can name it. Gold, Oil, Diamonds, Iron, Coffee, Culture!But Look At This. Like Who wouldn't be a little marxist?

That's what work is all about dude, if you work hard you have it, if not then you don't, don't try to take the money others made just because there's poor people, that's not even a bit fair, and that's what I see people trying to do in this "wonderful" country of ours. Like you said: very European, small town with cool houses and organized stuff, that's what you get when you work, I live in one of those towns and my family came from Germany to try a new life here, they worked hard and today we have everything we could possibly need.
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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by Nachos81 on Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:59 pm

I think that the concept of the meritocracy that you're talking about is the goal, it's what the world needs to be based on. I just think that some people are in extreme poverty and can't compete with the super wealthy. What needs to be done is to provide free and fair education and have affordable health care so the kid that grows up in extreme poverty has the chance to work their way up like you said. If not, they can stay poor.
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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by DavidlVofGeorgia on Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:39 pm

Imagine Capitalism as a democracy. Every dollar you make is a ballot that you use to 'vote' to keep the businesses you like in business and the products you like to stay around. The more money you have, the more you can influence the products your nation produces like hamburger's, arts, sciences, ect. The more money you have the more weight you have to throw around giving you more control over your life but also other's lives.

Communists argue that we should all have the same vote which makes a lot of sense. Here is where they are wrong. Not everybody deserves the same vote. Some people make good financial decisions and others don't and giving everybody the same 'economic vote' only encourages bad economic behavior. Meritocracy is the fairest system.

To those detractors who say that "true communism" hasn't been tried I would remind you that true Capitalism hasn't been tried before either. The closest I believe we ever got was during the Gilded Age when the west went through the greatest era of human advancement.

Capitalism, at its core, is a set of voluntary and mutually beneficial transactions. That isn't to say that everything capitalism produces is good for society (like Fidget Spinners, Third Wave Feminism and Marxism). And the bad products need to be boycotted and toxified by the populace.
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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by BigMacArthur on Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:45 pm

I believe that Nationalism and right-wing popualism are the best ways to get things done and keep your country great.
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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by AHistoryBuff on Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:15 pm

Personally I'm a Democratic Socialist with some Pacifism thrown in(I'll be talking on it can apply to the US not any other country), it provides a good opportunity to improve the country's well being first off. With a better welfare system and healthcare along with better maternal leave it can help improve lifespans for everyone. We still can have a good privately-run industry but without the establishments of monopolies that can harm on how an economy runs. I think a reduced military budget is really needed if we want to pursue increases in other parts of spending. Also it would make reaching mars that much more attainable.

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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by x24mori on Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:04 pm

_Dewey wrote:Pretty much the same, Social Democrat, but socially more conservative if that makes sense. So like, I like the policies of Bernie, or FDR, but when it comes to stuff like safe spaces, free speech, etc. i tend to have a more status quo stance. More in favour of freedom than feelings I guess.

Socially conservative? Safe spaces in my opinion are in no way "liberal". It is a perversion of liberal ideas. Liberalism promotes free speech, and anyone who tries to suppress any speech is nothing but an extremist. You are an actual liberal. IF you are conservative on other things like gay marriage, affirmative action, etc. then I understand how you can classify yourself. Otherwise, my friend, you are a liberal the same way I am. An actual liberal who thinks PC needs to go to hell.

If anyone says "you can't say...." they are not a good liberal. They are a fascist in denial.
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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by x24mori on Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:05 pm

BigMacArthur wrote:I believe that Nationalism and right-wing popualism are the best ways to get things done and keep your country great.

Honestly I cannot tell with anyone anymore, so are you joking or nah?
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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by Adolf Francolini on Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:10 am

x24mori wrote:
BigMacArthur wrote:I believe that Nationalism and right-wing popualism are the best ways to get things done and keep your country great.

Honestly I cannot tell with anyone anymore, so are you joking or nah?

Probably not, though I can't speak for him. What are your qualms with the ideology?
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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by r3volutionr0ck on Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:26 am

jeanwickert wrote:
r3volutionr0ck wrote:For you can have an idea of what i'm talking about, this is the city i live in Curitiba. A regional metropole responsable for Volvo, Renault, Electrolux and Many others in South America.  The City HDI stands around 0,850 (very high). But you know, third world is messed up, this two places are around 20 minutes away from each other by car. First one is that very european small town alike houses, big apartament buildings and all. And The other one is this Lagos like Shanty Town (you can see in the horizon the developed urban center). This formed my opinion on politics, Brazil is one of the fastest growing economics of the last decade, the 8th in the world, we have like EVERYTHING you can name it. Gold, Oil, Diamonds, Iron, Coffee, Culture!But Look At This. Like Who wouldn't be a little marxist?

That's what work is all about dude, if you work hard you have it, if not then you don't, don't try to take the money others made just because there's poor people, that's not even a bit fair, and that's what I see people trying to do in this "wonderful" country of ours. Like you said: very European, small town with cool houses and organized stuff, that's what you get when you work, I live in one of those towns and my family came from Germany to try a new life here, they worked hard and today we have everything we could possibly need.

Sure! In parts i do agree with you, and that's why i'm not a Classical Marxist. But you know as good as me. This free market of working works! But brazilian problems are way down. Probably like me you went to a particular school, You have health insurance and know what you want to do in college. But this is not for everyone, it's about this what i'm concerned. I want a Brazil where a kid from the Favela have no longer to live in a Favela. We both are from the South, so we are a kind blessed. But even here, public stuff is fucked up. In my college there are 3 kids from a public school in a class of 38. One of them is not coming back from the recess because he can't go along the rest of the class. You know this dude work hard. He lives in the metropolitan area wakes at 5.30am go to work, goes to college and then he arrives home at 1.00am every day. My family come from Russia (running from the Bolshevik) and Italy and indeed they worked hard, but those were different times. The difference of classes are huge, not only in incoming but in everything. When i moved to Curitiba with my mother we rented an apartment till our house was finished, we're paying at least 3 minimum wages p/month just for the basic live, without the school mensality (around 1 minumum wage), healthcare (half a minimum wage) and "extra spendings" like ordering pizza on a friday night or going to the shopping center.

And indeed i'm trying to take peoples money to give to others, but not taking from the working class bank account and putting in this like hobbo alike dude who wanders and drink. But more in the sense of this Boss kind of person, who earns A FN LOT. And revert this to the community. There's a study that says taxing big richs could earn Brazil billions a year. Imagine who better could public Hospitals, schools, parks be with better Redistribution of income and i do include in this the political payments, for people outside, with salaries, bonus and taxes cutoffs a brazilian politician can make a 100k a month (minimum wage is about 950,00). The better the wealth distribution the better the country. Exemple? Look the countries with the best Gini coefficient(1). Besides the former Communist countries of Slovenia, Czech Republic and Hungary, you have Norway, Denmark, Belgium, Sweden and Austria.
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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by Cold War Communist on Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:07 pm

I don't know. I took plenty of those "ideology" quizzes and I never get an answer I agree with.

Socially, I'm pretty conservative. Economically, I'm pretty liberal. Strongly liberal, in fact, in favor of all sorts of regulations and government involvement.

I don't love the idea of democracy, but I don't hate it, either. I mean, if I lived in a single party state, I don't think I'd object as long as leadership wasn't inept. I don't think it would be much worse than voting for one of two wings of the same bird, as appears to be the case in recent elections.
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Ideology

Post by NationStates on Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:55 am

Capitalism
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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by Borussia on Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:16 am

Socially reactionary, though I don't really care that much about it.
Economics: On the right, but government intervention can be very good. Dislike Redistribution

Basically, living in Germany, I really like the society and government structure of the United States
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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by AltHistNerd13 on Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:59 am

When I took the 8Values Political Test online (which I would highly recommend to anyone with any interest in political science) it deemed me a "Libertarian Socialist", an assessment that I would probably agree with, considering I believe in very small government in the social sense (i.e. anti-PATRIOT Act, anti-Drug War, pro-same-sex marriage, etc.), but I am also fairly Socialist-leaning in the economic sense (i.e. anti-TPP, pro-universal healthcare, pro-campaign finance reform, etc.). The test also deemed me very progressive and anti-war, which I also think is true about my political views.
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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by Nachos81 on Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:29 pm

I strongly agree with AltHistNerd13 in taking the 8Values Political Test. It's very good at looking at the different parts of an ideology and may help anyone that is a little confused.

Here is the link: https://8values.github.io/
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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by Thrawn on Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:02 pm

My realistic views are similar to that of social democracy, i.e. Capitalism with safety measures for fairness. I also have some conservative views, most notably dealing with multiculturalism, but mostly I'm pretty liberal. My ideal society would be a pure meritocracy.

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Re: What is your Favorite Ideology?

Post by DavidlVofGeorgia on Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:04 am

Capitalist: 84.8%
Nationalist: 81.9%
Statist: 66.2%
Very Traditional: 79.6%

Ideology: Neo-Conservatism
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