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1956 hungarian uprising.

Post by Azgoth on Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:31 pm

today we are going to discuss the 1956 Hungarian uprising, an interesting but forgotten episode of the cold war.


https://youtu.be/IPXi4DDLqLo



what do you think?

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Re: 1956 hungarian uprising.

Post by Brusilov on Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:32 am

They had the right to do that, but it still was stupid. They knew what'd be coming if they did that. In my opinion, don't mess with the bear if you're small. The bear will stomp you like a bug
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Re: 1956 hungarian uprising.

Post by Azgoth on Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:20 pm

Yeah, but if it had succeeded we saw the USSR collapsing way earlier.

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Post by CptCrape on Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:42 am

Azgoth wrote:Yeah, but if it had succeeded we saw the USSR collapsing way earlier.
I don't know about that. By 1956, the USSR, and its communist allies were stronger than ever. Losing Hungary would hurt but not kill it.
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Re: 1956 hungarian uprising.

Post by Brusilov on Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:18 am

CptCrape wrote:
Azgoth wrote:Yeah, but if it had succeeded we saw the USSR collapsing way earlier.
I don't know about that. By 1956, the USSR, and its communist allies were stronger than ever. Losing Hungary would hurt but not kill it.

Exactly, at that time the USSR could supress every uprising. Even if all sattelite states started uprisings
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Re: 1956 hungarian uprising.

Post by r3volutionr0ck on Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:07 am

I remember having classes about this Uprising. The problem in here was the USSR was Treating their allies like a Colony, their central goverment was loyal to the USSR not to Hungary. This worked with Stalin, because you know right? STALIN. But when he died and Kruschev become the Party Leader he Made the worst decision he could. He invited all leaders of The CP of the Warsaw Pact and denounced Stalin crimes. When he did it people lost respect for him and the Soviet Union. People say till nowadays Kruschev was the beginning of the USSR end.
To be friendly with their "Colonies" Kruschev Pardoned political prisoners. One of then was a huge politician leader of Hungary which was killed in the stalinist era and buried as an indigent. He was dug up and buried with honors. Thousands of people went to the funeral.  People in Hungary wanted Communism, but they wanted Their Comunism, in fact they got it. It's called Goulash Communism (1).  János Kádár who took  the General Secretary of the Hungarian Socialist Workers' Party officeafter the revolt was elected the Greatest Hungarian of the XX century.
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Re: 1956 hungarian uprising.

Post by whynot? on Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:41 pm

The ultimate and greatest affect of the Hungarian uprising is it finally dispelled the myth of a great communist utopia among western
intellectuals. France and Italy before the revolution had massive and powerful communist parties that were serious political contenders, however after 1956 many communists especially in those involved in the arts split with the central soviet backed parties to become socialists of social democrats.
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Post by Cold War Communist on Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:23 pm

Azgoth wrote:Yeah, but if it had succeeded we saw the USSR collapsing way earlier.

It was never going to succeed. The Soviets were far too prepared to deal with their own affairs "in house" so to speak, which is how tanks and troops ended up deployed to break up the uprising. If by some miracle it worked, the next crackdown would have been far worse to send a message.

To be perfectly clear though, the Communist governments that were set up during Soviet occupation of conquered territories had an iron grip on power. I know that the weakest of these governments was in Poland, and even though it was dependent on the Soviet Union to remain alive at all, it never once budged. That is a testament to the level of control around the Union, so just because one state could throw off the Communists doesn't mean the rest could.
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Re: 1956 hungarian uprising.

Post by Sirkane62 on Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:19 pm

Hungarians were too proud and brave to be stomped on by their communist overlords any longer. Death is preferable to communism.
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Azgoth wrote:Yeah, but if it had succeeded we saw the USSR collapsing way earlier.
I doubt losing a single country would have caused that much more damage to the USSR, Hungary would probably be a lot better off today but I can't really see one successful rebellion causing it to collapse any faster than it did.
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