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America: World Police

Post by Arden_Foxx on Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:16 pm

What do you think America's foreign policy should be? Should the U.S. adopt a more isolationist approach and regulate its borders more? Should it continue to heavily involve itself in the entire world's affairs? Should it stop giving aid to foreign countries? Should it have a larger military? Should it cut back on its military? Who should the U.S. be making allies with, and who should they be influencing diplomatically?
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Re: America: World Police

Post by SHAM00E on Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:00 am

You see I find this interesting, I'm going to first address the World Police part of this Topic. I think that we should really look at the Cold War to find the United States Interventionist policy. During the Cold War we feared to let Communist governments gain a hold on any country and so we adopted a stringent policy of halting Communism wherever it could be found. In some cases such as South Korea and Grenada it led to free and prosperous societies and we look at their counterparts with derision. But people forget that, South Korea at the time was ruled by a dictator, and in the years afterwards it was an unstable country rife with poverty and famine, because of frequent regime changes. Yet in the long run through sustained U.S. presence it was transformed into a powerhouse. Then you look at Vietnam and the U.S. presence there was only causing major problems for a country that saw us as foreign invaders, and didn't want us there. By leaving we did both ourselves and Vietnam a huge favor. I wouldn't know if continued interventionist policies would turn countries into bastions of freedom or is only exacerbating the problem, so I leave it up to more capable people. I only am here to give a glimpse into our past to help others see the future.
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Re: America: World Police

Post by Arden_Foxx on Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:04 am

I agree, there are no winners in war and armed conflict. I say we need to cut back on military spending and use that money on preventing conflict within our own nation (Like improving infrastructure and helping troubled families).
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Re: America: World Police

Post by SHAM00E on Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:10 am

You know I also agree that we ought to cut back a bit on military spending. Mostly because we so massively outspend everyone else that it's ridiculous to think that we need to spend more to defend ourselves. But as for there being no winners in war, that's up for debate. You could certainly say that the people who live in Europe won in WW2 by having the Nazi's overthrown. But I get what you mean, there's certainly no winning by STARTING a conflict, that's for sure.
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Re: America: World Police

Post by CptCrape on Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:12 am

It seems like the US tries to be noble in its doings but it always eventually fails. Like Libya for example.
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Re: America: World Police

Post by Brusilov on Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:17 am

I don't like america for only one reason. They, as the name of this thread is called, play world police.
They dig their nose deep into foreign affairs and think they know everything. For example: they still try to persuade Russia to return crimea to Ukraine.
lmao, gg
Many high ranking american officials see themselves as, the good guys. Just like they said in the Cold War, we're the good guys.
The good guys who supported dictatorships in various countries but acted as if they didn't have anything to do with that.
The people who helped a lot to kill millions of Vietnamese by staging an attack on an american vessel.
Just aknowledge that you're not the good guys, since no-one is.
And stop playing world police
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Re: America: World Police

Post by Johann Tserclaes on Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:00 pm

Brusilov wrote:I don't like america for only one reason. They, as the name of this thread is called, play world police.
They dig their nose deep into foreign affairs and think they know everything. For example: they still try to persuade Russia to return crimea to Ukraine.
lmao, gg
Many high ranking american officials see themselves as, the good guys. Just like they said in the Cold War, we're the good guys.
The good guys who supported dictatorships in various countries but acted as if they didn't have anything to do with that.
The people who helped a lot to kill millions of Vietnamese by staging an attack on an american vessel.
Just aknowledge that you're not the good guys, since no-one is.
And stop playing world police
Preach
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Re: America: World Police

Post by BOSSMANTOSSCAN on Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:44 pm

In contrast to a lot of people I actually prefer america as the world police, firstly because we always try to do whats right even if we muck it up in the end. Having traveled to several third world countries and in two cases being connected by blood to the local elite i know that what holds a lot of these "nations" together is in fact america, if tomorrow america was to withdraw in isolation I am fairly confidence they would move right back in after a couple years on account of the vast wars which would place. That being said I do wish that we were a bit more sensible, the best example i can give is a recent statement by an american general were he something along the lines of "we arent fighting just to destroy isis but were fighting to destroy the very idea of a caliphate" something which touched off alarm bells around the Muslim world. see in Islam without swearing allegiance to a khalif all your ibadat(pious actions) are considered invalid it even illegal to build mosque without the approval of a khalif or to offer prayers in a non approved mosque meaning in essence(and how it was interpreted) the general was saying that america wants to wipe out the worlds 2 largest religion. another gripe i have is the quite foolish idea of establishing liberal democracies in unstable third world nations were the leader should fill the role of an icon more than anything else, here i believe a change of policy might be in order. besides those two grips i am quite fine with the status quo.
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Re: America: World Police

Post by Cartographation on Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:02 pm

In my opinion (which is surely not an incredibly qualified one in any sense) democracies work in the ways of bringing prosperity to the state. However, they put the interests of the people in their state first and in many cases that calls for the exploitation of another states resources in the name of self-enrichment. Of course, when the people of say the United States intend well for another state the government of the United Sates will (if public support is large enough) take action to protect the interests of said state. So assuming that this rule generally holds up I believe that the U.S. should be a global policeman. The election of Donald Trump, an anti-globalist who's policies are "American First", shows in many ways that the people of the US do not understand nor wish well for the worst off around the globe. However, at the moment their is no one else capable of doing the job, and in this instance I believe that an often corrupt policeman is better than no policeman. The idea that the US could walk into your state and demolish the government if you invade another state who's people clearly don't wish to be invaded is a powerful deterrent. This mentality applies to other war crimes as well. So until the day the UN or some other entity that truly represents the people on earth can capably protect it a democracy like the US should hold the job.
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Re: America: World Police

Post by Cold War Communist on Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:07 pm

The United States spends more on its military than the rest of the top ten countries ranked by military expenditures combined. It's an absurd total to me and it is clearly a machine feeding itself by seeking conflict rather than deterring it.

There really should not be a "global policeman", or police force. The idea of there being one sovereign country or entity with dominion over the others is the antithesis of what a global police force would want. What I mean is, the whole idea (supposedly) of the American global policeman is to protect sovereignty and certain human rights or liberties. Having said that, forcing the world to accept the hegemony of one nation over the rest is in direct conflict with that established goal, so it makes no sense to me to have a global policeman.
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Re: America: World Police

Post by DavidlVofGeorgia on Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:54 am

There are a lot of wrong ideas on this thread. Time to slap around some isolationists.

1. Almost all human knowledge and achievement originates from a military budget.

V2 rockets, Atomic bombs, the internet, medicine, penicillin, ect. In the four years of WW1 medicine advanced more rapidly than during any period of human history. At the start of WW2 passenger air travel was a fantasy but by the end of it visionaries were already getting to work.

The simple fact is that wars save lives and makes all our lives better. They raise our technological achievements and move forward the collective learning of all mankind. To war is to learn. And learning can never be a bad thing.

2. The world has always had a policeman. Ever since the Battle of Waterloo in 1815 the global hegemon was freedom loving, enlightenment inspired, and benevolent. Namely Britain. The world simply doesn't know how to operate without a global hegemon.

The only thing keeping Chinese ships from invading Taiwan is the American Navy. The only thing keeping North Korea from invading South Korea is an American Army and nuclear deterrent. American assurances keep Iran from nuking Isreal.

I could name other conflicts but you get the point. America causes a lot of wars around the world but they also prevent a lot. If the American military took down all its expensive foreign military bases and stopped telling other countries what to do then WW3 would break out. I am perfectly fine with that because the scientific accomplishments will be immense but I sense that the pacifists on this thread would like to avoid that.
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Re: America: World Police

Post by EmperorTigerstar on Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:56 am

The US should only police if the entire world agrees to the individual action, like with Korea or the Persian Gulf War.
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Re: America: World Police

Post by Hatshepsut on Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:16 pm

I think that the United States has no actual valid claim for it to be the "World Police", and that title should be given to organizations and international bodies that actually do that job, with the consent of the populace it governs, like the United Nations, or Interpol, or for more regional organizations, like the European Union.
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Re: America: World Police

Post by SHAM00E on Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:32 pm

Hatshepsut wrote:I think that the United States has no actual valid claim for it to be the "World Police", and that title should be given to organizations and international bodies that actually do that job, with the consent of the populace it governs, like the United Nations, or Interpol, or for more regional organizations, like the European Union.
Laughing That's hilarious, Interpol has no military, the EU is falling apart, and the United Nations is a joke. The Security Council is completely unfair to anyone that isn't a permanent member and is ham-stringed by the fact that one single veto immediately stops any action in it's tracks. Not to mention that any UN mission is completely dependent on donations by the member countries and is like herding cats because there is no unified command structure. It's a complete farce, really the U.S. is one of the only countries Capable of a large-scale and rapid response to conflicts across the globe.
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Re: America: World Police

Post by Hatshepsut on Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:51 pm

You say capable like that's a reason for the U.S. to serve that role. What reasons do you have that one country, a country with it's own problems, should act as the law enforcer of the world?

What's more, all those international organizations that you claim are useless were more or less created for the exact role of "World Police". If the entities whose very job it is to fufill that role, why would The United States be able to?
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Re: America: World Police

Post by CptCrape on Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:36 pm

SHAM00E wrote:
Hatshepsut wrote:I think that the United States has no actual valid claim for it to be the "World Police", and that title should be given to organizations and international bodies that actually do that job, with the consent of the populace it governs, like the United Nations, or Interpol, or for more regional organizations, like the European Union.
Laughing That's hilarious, Interpol has no military, the EU is falling apart, and the United Nations is a joke. The Security Council is completely unfair to anyone that isn't a permanent member and is ham-stringed by the fact that one single veto immediately stops any action in it's tracks. Not to mention that any UN mission is completely dependent on donations by the member countries and is like herding cats because there is no unified command structure. It's a complete farce, really the U.S. is one of the only countries Capable of a large-scale and rapid response to conflicts across the globe.
The truth comes out. The UN has done nothing but bully countries that go against the security council while at the same time ignoring actual threats. Remember the Rwandan Genocide?
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Re: America: World Police

Post by Cold War Communist on Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:12 am

If I'm not mistaken, the U.N. also had members of the Khmer Rouge onboard. To me, that's absurd, but it's legitimacy was questionable long before then. At any rate, global organizations are (generally) not very reliable due to the level of international involvement (too many voices), and the idea of national sovereignty (U.N. has no teeth). People, not governments, make real differences. The ones on the ground serve as the best form of civilian defense and management.
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