What if the French never funded the American war for independence?

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What if the French never funded the American war for independence?

Post by WW2 Buff on Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:01 am

America never gains independence drastically affects the Americas and also the European continent . Much more powerful British empire?


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French revolution is diverted because the French do not fund the revolution and lose money. No rise of napoleon maybe he is still a high ranking political figure or general in France?




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No Napoleonic era greatly affects future wars in Europe and future empires for example the Prussians and will affect wars like the Great War.




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Would like to your views on the situations i proposed.

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Re: What if the French never funded the American war for independence?

Post by Bowtie on Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:42 pm

If the French had not sent their warships, Washington would not have tract General Hal at Yorktown and the war would have gone on a few more years.

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Re: What if the French never funded the American war for independence?

Post by Hatshepsut on Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:25 am

We would most likely have been defeated without French Aid, and instead of the United States of America, we would have eventually been made another country in the United Kingdom, with strong secessionist movements, similar to Scotland.
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Re: What if the French never funded the American war for independence?

Post by DukeOfTea on Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:54 am

Hatshepsut wrote:we would have eventually been made another country in the United Kingdom, with strong secessionist movements, similar to Scotland.
I highly doubt that. I would think they would become a Dominion along the lines with Australia and Canada, and gain autonomy in the early 20th century.
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Re: What if the French never funded the American war for independence?

Post by DavidlVofGeorgia on Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:33 pm

The war would have dragged on for twice as long. Wars of occupation get more unpopular over time as do their leaders. Britian would have bankrupted itself and George lll (who was a horrible and unstable King) would have lost public support and a great deal of legitimacy.

Maybe Britain has a revolution? John Locke was a Brit after all.

In the end I think America would have won anyways but the longer the war dragged the more I bet on Britain having a revolution.
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Re: What if the French never funded the American war for independence?

Post by Thorfinn Karlsefni on Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:59 pm

It's possible that without French gold to back the already unstable currency of the would-be republic, the Revolutionary leaders would have bankrupted themselves completely trying to underwrite the war. As Frederick the Great said, "An army marches on its stomach." Imagine a dozen Valley Forge type winters in a row, with no hope of victory... No, it doesn't seem like the Revolution could have survived, but on the other hand, an even more protracted war of occupation would eventually have meant some pretty sobering realities for Lord Pitt and the British Parliament to face.

This was not like the American Civil War. To a degree, the colonists really had become a seperate people, a trend that began long before 1775. I think at least a major guerilla war would have continued, especially in the mountains. Eventually France - at peace with its neighbors and colonies - would have been so wealthy by comparison with Great Britain that Louis XVI would not have been able to avoid the temptation to seek revenge for the defeat in the 7 Years War. A weakened, financially overextended Britian might have been quickly forced to sue for peace, perhaps even giving Quebec back to France.

In such a scenario, even if the French king never formally recognized American independence, the effect would have been much the same. Resurgent patriots would have stormed back into heavily populated areas, and there would be no way the British government could afford to sustain their occupation forces. The strategic situation would look much like that in the former Spanish Colonies after the Napoleonic wars. Eventually the colonies would be granted independence, but perhaps with the caveat of a favorable trade treaty with the home country.

The real question is, how would such a protracted struggle have changed America?
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